Images Donate icon An illustration of a heart shape Donate Ellipses icon An illustration of text ellipses. Reactor 09 Item Preview. EMBED for wordpress. Want more? Advanced embedding details, examples, and help! But doing it with a correctional officer's consent is even harder. With him, all our problems, and the solutions to those problems, can be fully expressed on a bumpersticker. But whatever you call it, her studies concluded that people who engage in this sort of outlook are more likely to fail.
But to do that, you must understand the obstacles. Sanders clearly does not. Now, a lot of Bernie supporters tell me they understand that his agenda will never pass. As well-intentioned as Sanders may be, his presidency could cause near-fatal damage to the progressive cause. The idea of democratic socialism will be solidified in the American consciousness as unworkable and foolish. She too has an extensive plan for fighting climate change. She too wants to tackle student debt.
And unlike Sanders, she has quite more than just a passing interest in foreign policy. The question then becomes a matter of how serious you are about actually advancing the progressive cause.
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Whenever you closely examine the attacks on Hillary, from the left or the right, they break apart under scrutiny. I believe that Hillary craves power. But not the kind of power that comes from helping Wall Street executives. To Sanders, all our problems, and the solutions to those problems, can be fully expressed on a bumpersticker. Sign me up. Update your browser for the best experience. A senator's real job the one where they are paid a six-figure salary is to negotiate and vote on legislation rather than attend a union rally.
From what I understand further negotiation is needed on BBB. We can agree to disagree The biggest reason I want the strikers to win is I want my food, including cereal made here. Considering that Kellogg's was going to replace the union workers with scabs that leads me to believe that the food would still be processed and yes, it is processed food at the same location?
If anything, the continuation of the strike makes it less likely that the jobs would remain in Michigan. It's the same mistake that the UAW made, they had a level of conceit believing that they were the only ones who could make vehicles to be sold to American consumers.
The union and the management were both surprised when the foreign car producers caught up with that demand and offered superior products. When faced with the option of buying products of comparable quality, most consumers are going to choose the product with the lowest price and won't even look at where the product originated. However, that isn't true for everybody. A lot of Americans started driving foreign made vehicles because they were less expensive, were more fuel-efficient, or they were upset with all of the mechanical failures in American-made products, particularly from about through One of my friends from high school and college was as much of a patriot and a conservative as anyone I know, yet his first vehicle was a Mitsubishi and his father had a Toyota rotary engine truck.
The irony was that my friend's father joined the Army during World War II and was involved with codebreaking Japanese communications. I don't believe that either of them had an issue with union labor and dependability was the primary motivator in their decisions.
Middle and working class families bearing the burden of unjust, regressive taxation need him working on the SALT deduction compromise in Washington, like he promised.
In salt cost. S tate A nd L ocal T axes See how that works now? It includes state and local income taxes, sales taxes, commuter taxes, and property taxes. No one has received any memos that BBB is dead, least of all US Senators who are supposed to be working on the legislation.
Thanks for the snark I think 80, is the number some democrats were hoping would replace the 10, To be clear I think property taxes on a modest home should be deductible but properties valued past a certain point should not have their taxes be deductible. That might help to forestall toxic facebook and twitter punditry by folks unaware of the facts. Anyone troubled that Ms. These are Union workers working under a contract that they believe is not being upheld.
Many of those jobs demand months of training. We need to support these workers. Denigrating the strikers is not cool, Texas. Agree With You Very much agree with you on the anti-union talk. Glad Bernie is there on the ground spotlighting the union members on the picket lines. Not only is the company hiring scabs, but they want to send the jobs out of country!!! I also met with my state senator and state representative to advocate for our agenda.
I was recruited to join TPEA by another employee within the first three months of beginning employment after graduating college and was an active member for nearly 13 years afterwards.
The agency that I worked for did not have a union chapter organized so I joined the group that could advocate for my interests. However, I did interact and coordinate with employees at other government agencies that had union representation. I never had any issues with the union members and as far as I know, they didn't have any issues with me.
Now that I've provided you some of my background, do you actually believe that I'm anti-union since you obviously reached a conclusion about me without knowing the facts? The contract was being adhered to while the negotiations were taking place. The workers also rejected a tentative deal. While I support unions, I also recognize that companies are not required to pay any more than what they believe an employee is worth. I also didn't have the benefit of a union even though I would have joined, but the other employees had no interest in joining a union.
From the perspective of some of those colleagues, the unions took a hit to their reputations because of corruption most recently with the convictions of UAW officials in Michigan. I'm not intending to be anti-union with that statement, but I'm not going to avoid pointing out facts I also did not receive any additional compensation beyond my salary or even straight comp time when I worked extra hours so I really don't want to be lectured by someone who hasn't walked in my one remaining shoe--hell, I haven't walked in that one shoe for the past 16 months, all I do is hop around on my walker hoping that I don't bust my ass.
Considering that a lot of salaried workers put in extra hours each week as part of their jobs with no additional compensation, the employees at Kellogg's are not significantly different than anyone else that has been in the workforce for the last two or three decades. If someone wants to work an eight-hour day Monday through Friday and then be home for supper every night or going to soccer practice, then they are going to earn less than someone else that does put in the additional effort and is available to work outside of a traditional work schedule.
As stated above, if the striking workers have some skills that are essential then they will be rehired. If they don't posses an essential skill then they will likely be replaced. That's not intended to disparage the strikers, but once they step onto that picket line they are rolling the dice and making a gamble on being in an adversarial relationship with their employer. I don't wish any harm to any of the strikers, but there was no guarantee that their demands would be met. However, pointing out that the working conditions aren't completely out of line with other companies, the fact that the strikers worked under an expired contract, and that employment is not guaranteed for anyone are factual statements rather than anti-union statements.
It does look like a tentative agreement will be voted on soon. Considering Kellogg's position about hiring non-union workers, I hope that the employees on strike come to their senses and ratify the agreement. They are on the brink of overplaying their cards and as brutal as it might be to work 80 hours a week, I can think of something even worse: being unemployed for hours a week, living out in the cold or in a homeless shelter, and scrounging for food.
Been there, done that. It's a matter of perspective. Contracts expire when Companies drag their feet. You sure this hasn't been staged by the company to divest of its contracts? If the Company wants to find an excuse to bring the factory and the workers elsewhere, they will find it. What are their wages compared to fast food employees?
And i'm sorry if you were management and taken advantage of as a salaried worker, but you took that gamble when you signed up for that shit.
Your bias is showing You're also welcome to go lobby for whomever you wish. I'm in a wheelchair, and I'm lucky to get out of the apartment a couple times a week so I'm at the phase of my life where I cannot be an effective advocate for much of anything; particularly, when I have other challenges in my personal life and health issues that take priority.
BTW, I need to correct you and state that I was never a managerial level employee--I was a rank-and-file employee just like those that decided to strike at Kellogg's. As for my time working in the private sector, it wasn't a matter of the company working us to death in an effort to shut us down--it was actually the opposite because my employer was trying to attract new contracts and in the process they underbid those contracts so that the only way the company could meet its obligations was having us work around the clock.
It was in our best interest to try and make the company successful even while making substantial sacrifices to our personal health and to our social lives; otherwise, everyone would have ended up unemployed.
I was never considered for a managerial position because my technical and analytical skills were among the strongest at the employers where I worked. The joke of course was "those who can, do, those who can't get promoted. That's the second error in your reply. You might want to read my profile also.
I'll be waiting for your apology. Yes having a job versus being unemployed was in my best interest even if I had to work extra hours. I don't need anyone to convince me that having a paycheck is better than not having a paycheck. As for finding another job, there aren't many lead programmer jobs at property casualty insurance companies because of low turnover, particularly since I didn't want to leave Texas for various social and family reasons like my father having Parkinson's disease before he died.
The only times that I quit any jobs were when I quit my on campus job after graduating college and when I already had a job offer from another employer.
I never jumped ship without a plan. Considering that I was putting in so many hours at work, when was I supposed to search for another job or schedule interviews without giving warning to the current employer that I was preparing to abandon them?
Please answer my question since you are so knowledgeable and full of smugness. Or maybe you think that I should have gone to a homeless shelter instead. Yes, I had a mountain of wonderful choices, but they weren't options that a rational person would choose. Meanwhile, your comment stated: It's so sad that you gave up your life working 80 hours a week And some how your employer convinced you it was for your best interest.
Response to questionseverything Reply 27 Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author. Showing support to union workers is important these are people we can reach, a way our side can show that we are different than the other side which supports management, in almost all cases.
A treasure My Presidential candidate with Warren. Many more years Bernie! Great cause Bernie. Thanks for the support. And they all passed How about that. Oh, you're good That should have been my reply. I suspect it is because they have guilty consciences. They know progressives doing progressive things shines a spotlight on moderates doing nothing. They support those moderates so they have to start barking in every thread highlighting what it means to stand up for, and with, the people. Bernie is standing in solidarity with striking workers.
If Joe Biden was out there doing what Bernie is doing, these folks would be singing his praises as would I, and everyone else here, because standing with the workers is the right thing to do! Or could it be that the situation is complex, the agreement tentative, and the workers are still striking on the picket line? Power to the people!! The workers are still picketing. Bernie is standing in solidarity with those picketing.
Union members will vote over the next few days. Results are expected Tuesday. The workers are still striking. And Bernie Sanders is standing with those workers. We are still trying to pass the BBB only because right wingers have been holding it hostage. Certain provisions are past due. No photo op is as important as keeping promises made to working and middle class families. Take it up with them if you don't like it. Meanwhile, Go Bernie! A fiery indepenant senator walked away from an agreement that the SALT cap be budget neutral, so there is still nothing but a placeholder on page of the bill.
While I don't think it's fair for anyone to call him a "right wing obstructionist", it would probably be better for the country if photo ops were put to the side until the actual work is done. Since the entire Congressional Progressive Caucus voted for that particular tax break, anyone likewise aligned should probably "take it up with them if they don't like it". Meanwhile, for anyone who has walked away to do other things, Go back to the table! Do the actual work that you were elected to do! Baker, a professor of political science at Rutgers University, who has held several fellowships in the Senate] said.
Maybe some people realize there will be a lot of barking excuses for missing votes or voting with Republicans, even. Certain posters routinely disparage progressive leaders in threads that celebrate those leaders doing progressive things. Pointing that out is somehow making it personal? Isn't that also a pattern? The pattern here, though, is quite clear: a progressive leader does something progressive, a thread is posted to celebrate that leader, and the usual suspects show up to shit all over that leader.
It happens every single time. That's a pattern. When you said it seemed like I was making it personal by pointing the pattern out, were you saying you take it personally?
My profuse and sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings!! Unfortunately, it also tends to make my posts less than popular with folks being admonished for their behavior. I appreciate it.
What a revealing post about you! Some posters have this pattern, as well. Some talk more about DUers than anything else. Attacking progressive leaders or calling out posters who attack progressive leaders on a regular basis?
That was not my intent at all. Thanks for revealing yourself, but it sounds like you're the one with hurt feelings. Your comments sound like projection.
Hurt feelings? I am happier than a pig in shit! Thank you. Have you forgotten? There is no greater amusement, remember?
Please proceed. LOL Keep it going, please!! I'll be happy to thank you again for revealing your motives. Edit:post 18 simply mentioned that Bernie missed votes.
Yes, bye and have a nice night. But you have more, so another personal fail. I was talking about something much more specific and much more amusing. That's 11! I appreciate your revelations. But if you're feeling distracted, then I suppose I am full of distractions! You, my friend, are full of amusements. LOL I thought you were playing along to humor me before but now I'm not sure if it's intentional. Yes, I've said a few times that I thank you for your personal revelations.
You're a very giving person, aren't you, RB? That doesn't dismiss the fact that missing votes doesn't make someone a progressive leader, and that has nothing to do with DUers. I always appreciate the efforts to add grounded commentary about the Independent from Vermont.
My mistake. So this is another distraction which you just apologized for. No matter how much you want to discuss me, Bernie is the topic of this thread. I wrote that the topic of many of your replies was your feeling distracted. I didn't say anything about the topic of the OP.
I replied to OP and created a sub thread with about malicious posters who have a pattern of attacking progressive leaders. Like clockwork, some of those usual suspects were kind enough to engage with me and bump this thread over, and over, and over. Another Bump for Bernie! For reference, you posted about feeling distracted seven times in this sub thread. LOL But thanks again for your self confessions about your motives. None of that has to anything with this thread topic, though.
The topic was Bernie's whereabouts, to which you apparently couldn't abide realistic commentary about his missed votes. You posted that you were feeling distracted seven times in this thread. If you weren't fishing for an apology, why did you post about feeling distracted so many times? I'm just trying to help! I hope you get to feeling better. I have encouraged your self revelations, so it's been very informative. I've seen the same before , though.
Anyway, this thread topic is Bernie's whereabouts -- the post that set you off was a mild informative post about Bernie missing votes. It wasn't anything "malicious. I'm not interested in your sub thread topic. Shouldn't that be evident by now? It's obvious that you are interested in DUers. I do agree that is your interest.
Yes, it is very evident. LOL Yet, that doesn't change the fact that the post that apparently set you off was on topic about Bernie. It was a simple post about Bernie missing votes and probably didn't deserve this much angst in response.
Despite previously saying you were distracted seven different times in this sub thread? Maybe you're saying you're not distracted now, but were distracted last night when you wrote all those posts?
Thanks for the Bernie Bump, RB! I've just noted they are not on topic with this thread. Thread title: "Bernie, what are you doing here!?
Imagine what you may learn tomorrow, RB! Thanks for your many admissions in this thread, but it's more a noticeable "pattern" than anything learned. Anyway, the thread is not about me, although it's hard to tell from your many posts about me. RB, you'd better write someone a letter to complain about a sub thread on a thread.
Don't let them know it was of your own creation, though. Thanks for your entire subthread you've made about me! You initiated this banter. You choose to continue this banter. It is lighthearted and playful. You're serving my purpose of bumping this thread amongst other amusements. What else could I ask for on a beautiful Sunday morning? Hot coffee, banter with a dear friend, and a celebration of Bernie Sanders standing up for the people!
My response was about the post that apparently set you off. We could be talking about a window licking circus elephant and I'd be happy to banter with you back and forth about it as long as it accomplished my goal. Remember when I mentioned the usual suspects Bernie bashers who show up to these threads with predictable regularity? Now imagine my amusement and sheer glee when I manage to convince one of those Bernie bashers to bump an OP celebrating Bernie Sanders How's the weather there, RB?
Thanks again for your many self confessions about your motives. When someone explains something to you that you did not understand initially, that is an explanation, not a confession. I hope you're having a fine morning. I just got a package delivered by USPS on a Sunday, more and more common these days and have some fantastic coffee today.
It's a real treat. One of the skills I learned in business when managing people is that almost everyone has value, even if it appears initially that they've got nothing to offer the company or the team that they've been assigned to. A good manager can find their value and help them realize it. And at first, that employee is rarely even aware that it's happening! I appreciate that you took the time to create this sub thread last night, and I appreciate that you continue it today.
I've found your value, RB! Anthony Fauci, Democrats around the cou. Find out now. Senior U. Any episode with just Sid, just skip that episode. Without Bernie, I rather hear a rerun!! You became a egotistical metrosexual broadcaster Like Imus, your staff are forced to please you!! Apple Podcasts Preview.
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